From David James AKA Unknown October 1, 2012 10:37 PM
I have personally spoken with Jonathan Cahn and exchanged emails with him. I have spent hundreds of hours in research and writing - extensively documenting and supporting every statement I make - with many quotes coming directly from The Harbinger.
My book is an exhaustive in-depth study of The Harbingers and the attendant issues - such that it needs to be carefully considered in any ongoing support of The Harbinger. I have tried to be as gracious and kind as I can - but have clearly demonstrated that Cahn's book is an illusion. It is absolutely not what it appears to be on the surface.
Unless someone is familiar with the dozens of problems and issues I raise and deal with in The Harbinger: Fact or Fiction? - any discussion for or against will only be superficial at best - unless someone else has also researched this to any significant depth.
Both the Kindle and paperback versions are available on Amazon.com.
There are also some important editorial and reader reviews that have been posted.
David James
The Alliance for Biblical Integrity
SIDEBAR: Below I also include beside Dr. James' replies, one reader's comment because in a dispassionate manner and without taking sides, he writes as one who realizes that this is much to do about nothing, and that is what Dr. James' book is all about, much to do about nothing in a nutshell. THE PEPSTER
Dave James says:
October 3, 2012 at 11:18 am
David,
Unfortunately, you have engaged in classic straw-man argumentation. You create a straw-man that is a vastly distorted caricature of my views and then attacked that rather than deal with what I actually believe and why I believe it – which you don’t even know in the case of most of the things you said.
Your post has much speculation and accusation, but nothing indicating that you realize your either / or reductionistic understanding of the issues is not the only possible way it could be.
I will be dealing with this topic in a future book that I have been preparing to write for several years.
I have been at this a long time. I was saved through a holiness Pentecostal preacher and have been thinking, studying and praying through this for almost 30 years – and after teaching about it for almost 15 years, I have been asked and challenged about every possible objection – biblical, theological and logical. (I never, ever use the “that’s just your interpretation argument” – which is no argument at all.)
I won’t be able to get into this further on this particular comment thread because that is not what this is about. My views on cessationism have absolutely nothing to do with my critique of The Harbinger because this isn’t an issue in Cahn’s book. I know non-cessationists who completely agree with my critique of The Harbinger.
Dave
Doug Roberts says:
October 6, 2012 at 7:41 pm
The important thing about this book is even though it might be fiction, the application of how the Lord God dealt with the people he choose will always have a parallel application ending in the same results.
For those that believe in God and his will there is meaning. To those who have no respect for a higher intellectual being or authority, there is no meaning because they have no basis for an application. They have developed their own set of “Pragmatic” morals that justify their own intents.
I learned a long time ago that you “neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.” Matt 7:6. There is no need to try to discuss your faith in the bible with a non-believer. There is no basis for discussion, only the sarcasm of an elitist attitude to vilify you and your position.
“There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.” Prov. 14:12. “That which hath been is now; and that which is to be hath already been; and God requireth that which is past.” Eccl. 3:15.
Mr. Cahn has a right to express his opinion as to the interpretation of the scripture. It is up to us to recognize the application. “All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:” 2 Tim. 3:16.
Dave James says:
October 6, 2012 at 9:09 pm
Doug,
I strongly defend the authority of Scripture and their literal interpretation.
Mr. Cahn has expressed his interpretations, and I have clearly pointed out that his interpretations are wrong – which also means that his applications are wrong.
According to the author, the book is not primarily fiction – it is 90% fact – as he has stated publicly in radio interviews.
And although he has a right to his interpretations, he does not have a right to his own facts – which I demonstrate in my book are incorrect.
Dave
October 8, 2012 at 8:27 pm
2 comments:
UnknownOctober 1, 2012 10:37 PM
I have personally spoken with Jonathan Cahn and exchanged emails with him. I have spent hundreds of hours in research and writing – extensively documenting and supporting every statement I make – with many quotes coming directly from The Harbinger.
My book is an exhaustive in-depth study of The Harbingers and the attendant issues – such that it needs to be carefully considered in any ongoing support of The Harbinger. I have tried to be as gracious and kind as I can – but have clearly demonstrated that Cahn’s book is an illusion. It is absolutely not what it appears to be on the surface.
Unless someone is familiar with the dozens of problems and issues I raise and deal with in The Harbinger: Fact or Fiction? – any discussion for or against will only be superficial at best – unless someone else has also researched this to any significant depth.
Both the Kindle and paperback versions are available on Amazon.com.
There are also some important editorial and reader reviews that have been posted.
David James
The Alliance for Biblical Integrity
The PepsterOctober 8, 2012 5:10 PM
Thank you, Dr. James for your kind reply. First, you did not contact Jonathan Cahh prior to your book’s release to interview him precisely about the contents of his book.
What’s more, you rushed to get your own work published when his book became a best seller.
You were quick to judge his book before you spoke with him, and what you wrote in it was before you and he spoke, evidence of that is Brannon Howse’s interview with Jimmy DeYoung earlier in the year, where Dr. DeYoung alluded to you and your work in that interview and went on to trash Cahn’s book without having read it.
I personally e-mailed Brannon Howse about this, and he never responded to my e-mail. Was it because the content of my e-mail contained Dr. DeYoung’s review before he had read the book?
When Howse interviewed Dr. DeYoung, you and Cahn had not spoken, so your claim that you interviewed him extensively for your book is either not true, or you’ve mistaken the dates somewhere. I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and say you might’ve mistaken the dates.
I have a copy of your book, I am in the process of reviewing it myself.
Your entire premise is incorrect about Cahn because you apply so many assumptions about him and presume about what he is writing that the meaning and intent of what he is writing is twisted and bent beyond recognition.
What’s more, your entire analsysis in your book is based upon a flawed theological base – Cessationism, and any theology stemming from Cessationism is based upon faulty hermeneutics because it denies the very nature of God and His unchangeability.
All of these I will address as the Lord wills in a study of my own which I am currently writing as I review your work, and the various other critics of Cahn’s work.
It appears that the critics of The Harbinger have become obsessed in recent months with it, and to this end have launched an all out campaign against it.
You and your other colleagues wrongfully accuse Rabbi Cahn of dividing the Body of Christ with his book, but it is you who first cast aspersions at Cahn and his book, before giving the man a chance to speak.
Jimmy DeYoung had not even read the book before he called Cahn a “false teacher,” and “false prophet,” Eric Douma, in what is one of the most incredible leaps of verbal gymnastics and assucmptions, makes all sorts of false charges against Cahn, again all based upon his own prejudiced Cessationist theology.
Perhaps the most grievous offense agianst Cahn is the false witnesses that have risen up against him and against his book.
It is a very sad thing indeed sir, that you and others have in your obsession with The Harbinger abandoned the original mission of The Berean Call when it was founded in exposing cults and false doctrines, and have in recent times focuses your very narrow theological beam on your fellow Christians, who by the grace of God, walk before the Lord as you do, as imperfect servants who (like yourselves) are learning from the One to whom we all must give an account, and I assure you sir, you and your colleagues will have to account for this one day before your Maker.
You are not judge, jury, and executioner before the Lord, you are merely servants and your theology is lacking. YOu have much learning, but what you have in human intellect and scholasticism, you lack in spiritual insight and understanding.
It will become self-evident with time.
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